tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8501575778816779507.post8278281540262121438..comments2023-07-02T08:54:05.632-07:00Comments on Confessions of a Catholic Cybertronian.: Islam Part 2,...God and/or Allah?Optimusmastrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12831854027284027308noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8501575778816779507.post-23403277470453931132010-05-21T09:03:24.840-07:002010-05-21T09:03:24.840-07:00Thanks for visiting the post I was discussing and ...Thanks for visiting the post I was discussing and commenting, Marco.<br /><br />This post on the nature of God in Islam, and the previous introductory one, is very interesting. It is clear that their understanding of God is very different from Catholic doctrine, and I believe you mean for us to understand this firmly. You are getting us to look at some of the statements of the Council from a theological point of view. This is the thesis of a very recent (2009) work by a theologian named Brunero Gherardini, The Ecumenical Vatican Council II: A Much-Needed Discussion. He says that is what is required now, that we add this new hermeneutic to our artillery, the hermeneutic of theology, and aim it at the Council. <br /><br />So I conclude that even though on a superficial level, Catholics and Muslims believe in "One God," their understanding if really fundamentally different from ours. <br />They don't believe in the Trinity, and more on a personal spiritual level (which isn't less important, do you think?) they don't think of God as Father.<br /><br />I must say I don't appreciate the concept of the Trinity enough, but I sure do connect with the concept of Father. Muslims lack! The next nice Muslim lady I meet, after I thank her for her modesty, I'm going to introduce her to the idea. Now see what you started.Jan Bakerhttp://thewhitelilyblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8501575778816779507.post-29912440754106208432010-05-14T17:56:22.434-07:002010-05-14T17:56:22.434-07:00Marco! How the heck are ya? To answer your questio...Marco! How the heck are ya? To answer your question on the blog, yes, I did read Father Amorth. Not the most recent book, which is just unavailable anywhere, but an earlier one--I think it was 1996 or something. So good! He seems to be a good theologian, although I'm not very qualified to make that judgement. Let me put it this way: he cites some impressive people, he knows scripture, the councils. <br /><br />Marco, you know I said I was working on a post about the abuse crisis, and you visited, but I wasn't finished. I posted it today and I would appreciate your evaluation of it. I'm afraid I was too harsh, too quick to jump to conclusions, maybe just dead wrong. It's about another book you'll appreciate, an analysis of three official Church documents pertinent to homosexuality. Actually, it's related in a funny way to the topic of this post, the understanding that it's bs to say that the God of the Muslims is the same as our God. (Although there's a logic thing going on: if there is a God, there's only one. So in the long run the God of the Muslims is the same as our God because there is no other God. But we're not talking about that, we're talking about is their teaching about their god the same as ours? No. But you have to discuss it today because there are elements within our Church who have taught the opposite and are still teaching it. Well, it's the same with homosexuality. There are elements within our Church who changed the teaching about homosexuality, and still do. I wonder if you'll guess who.<br /><br />Would you please read it and let me know something? I can take it (have to, if I want to dish it out).<br /><br />Hey, your word verification thing in this dialogue box is dirte. I like it!Janhttp://thewhitelilyblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8501575778816779507.post-65975455702954167482010-05-14T09:11:25.291-07:002010-05-14T09:11:25.291-07:00Your "2+2=4" example reminds me very muc...Your "2+2=4" example reminds me very much of Aquinas' Summa Theologica, in that our human reason will never contradict or disprove God--just the opposite--that our reason PROVES the existence of God: we all concur that something cannot come from nothing, and that something must have always existed to originate everything. Which is why Evolution and Big Bang are okay because they're logic-based, yet, they're just THEORIES that have not been proven. Scientist can opine all they want about how things came to be as they are today, and one day prove it, but how about a discussion on where it all came from?Patrickhttp://blog.catholicfreeshipping.comnoreply@blogger.com